Topic: Microsoft: We can remotely delete Windows 8 apps (Your opinion)

[alahuin]

Lol, did Windows 95 even have a Automatic Update feature?

Please note, I did say ANYTHING automatic not just Updates, like enabling this for example:-

To install the Remote Registry Service
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click the Network icon.
Click Add, click Service, and click Add.
Click File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, and then click Have Disk.
In the Copy manufacturer's files from box, type the path to the Admin\Nettools\RemoteReg folder on your Windows 95/98 CD-ROM, and click OK.
When the Microsoft Remote Registry service has been added to the list of installed components, click OK, and restart your computer when prompted.

In other words I want to be in control of my pc.
@ GLITCH..

This "kill switch"...I think...is a great idea...and it's my experience that it's a vendor's responsibility to keep me safe...and if they can do it with this type of application monitoring...then, I'm all for it.

It is not the vendor's responsibility to prevent me cutting myself with the knife I just bought from him...lol....
 

[Yoshi2889]

Please note, I did say ANYTHING automatic not just Updates, like enabling this for example:-In other words I want to be in control of my pc.
@ GLITCH..It is not the vendor's responsibility to prevent me cutting myself with the knife I just bought from him...lol....
 

I know but I was wondering if Win95 had automatic updates, I know it has other automatic services but not interested in these :'D

Anyway, Microsoft is playing ping-pong. With Win7 they added a bit of more restrictions (and they even overwrote my Boot Menu shortcut as far as I know D: )

[Glitch]

@ GLITCH..It is not the vendor's responsibility to prevent me cutting myself with the knife I just bought from him...lol....
 

Then tell me why there's a "safety lock" on your knife?      Or, why the vendor that sold you the knife also sold you the sheath to carry it in?

[Yoshi2889]

Then tell me why there's a "safety lock" on your knife?      Or, why the vendor that sold you the knife also sold you the sheath to carry it in?

The vendor has the responsibility to add security to their products -- It's the users responsibility to actually USE the security.

That said, the user must have an option to use the security -- If the user doesn't want to use it he/she should be able to turn it off.

[Glitch]

The vendor has the responsibility to add security to their products -- It's the users responsibility to actually USE the security.

That said, the user must have an option to use the security -- If the user doesn't want to use it he/she should be able to turn it off.

I rest my case...

See...this is what I don't understand about people.  You have been given the security, but you still want to disable it...why?  This is why there will always be people like me...helping people with computer issues.   

[alahuin]

I rest my case...


See...this is what I don't understand about people.  You have been given the security, but you still want to disable it...why?  This is why there will always be people like me...helping people with computer issues.   

If Microsoft's security is secure, why do they keep having to issue security updates? lol..
Seriously though, I have always disabled Microsoft's security (especially their Security Center)as I don't trust it but prefer to use protection of my own choosing....
 

[Glitch]

Nothing...and I mean nothing is 100% secure.  Like the security, you believe, to be better than Microsoft's.  Even malware protection.  No matter what malware protection you use...it will NEVER be 100% efficient and/or secure.

I'm not a coder...and don't profess to be.  The only thing I can tell you is security and updates are put there for a reason.  If something is coded and later found to be faulty...it's the vendor's responsibility to make sure the code and/or program is updated.  Yet these updates have a tendency to annoy those with little patience...because the constant pop-up update reminders distract them from what they are currently doing on their PCs.  I've seen it happen time and time again.  You're warned, but you ignore it.  So, you turn the reminder option off.  Next thing you know...you're making a post in a help forum for a possible malware infection...or a non-responsive program.

Updates will ALWAYS take place because there are people out there with malicious intent.  It's the nature of the beast.  Why they're so intent on malicious behavior is beyond me.  That's why I trust the vendor to protect me...and always give the same advice to everyone I know...

Read and understand the Help section of any program you use on your computer...always keep it updated...use a hardware and/or software firewall...always use malware protection and keep it up to date.  Above all...BACKUP...BACKUP...BACKUP.

Let me ask you a question...

You prefer to disable Microsoft's security notices and rely on protection of your own choosing.  What happens when this protection you have chosen fails?  How would you know?  When you find out...it's too late.  You're so used to using it...you've forgotten all about Microsoft's built-in security.  Had you been the wiser...having Microsoft notify you...you wouldn't find yourself in that sort of "pickle".

Oh well..."different strokes...for different folks".

[Yoshi2889]

Nothing...and I mean nothing is 100% secure.  Like the security, you believe, to be better than Microsoft's.  Even malware protection.  No matter what malware protection you use...it will NEVER be 100% efficient and/or secure.

I'm not a coder...and don't profess to be.  The only thing I can tell you is security and updates are put there for a reason.  If something is coded and later found to be faulty...it's the vendor's responsibility to make sure the code and/or program is updated.  Yet these updates have a tendency to annoy those with little patience...because the constant pop-up update reminders distract them from what they are currently doing on their PCs.  I've seen it happen time and time again.  You're warned, but you ignore it.  So, you turn the reminder option off.  Next thing you know...you're making a post in a help forum for a possible malware infection...or a non-responsive program.

Updates will ALWAYS take place because there are people out there with malicious intent.  It's the nature of the beast.  Why they're so intent on malicious behavior is beyond me.  That's why I trust the vendor to protect me...and always give the same advice to everyone I know...

Read and understand the Help section of any program you use on your computer...always keep it updated...use a hardware and/or software firewall...always use malware protection and keep it up to date.  Above all...BACKUP...BACKUP...BACKUP.

Let me ask you a question...

You prefer to disable Microsoft's security notices and rely on protection of your own choosing.  What happens when this protection you have chosen fails?  How would you know?  When you find out...it's too late.  You're so used to using it...you've forgotten all about Microsoft's built-in security.  Had you been the wiser...having Microsoft notify you...you wouldn't find yourself in that sort of "pickle".

Oh well..."different strokes...for different folks".

What is important here is that Microsoft has installed a feature that automatically installs update without your knowledge. Many, MANY users turn that off, because they don't want unknown people messing with their systems. And so they get annoyed by seeing "There are new updates available" every time they start their computers or just install updates. I am somebody who has a lot of patience (at least pretty much in real life), but getting bashed by that message gets on your nerves. Hence I made the topic about disabling it. Right now I just install updates with my own schedule; every week Saturday.

And it's true that it's the vendor's responsibility to update their security measures, but sometimes they take too much control from their users, just as Microsoft does with all of it's automatic stuff.

Sad thing of it is that Microsoft sometimes enables the Automatic Update feature again after you install a program of theirs. Think of the Windows Live Essentials install package.

Taking backups is a good thing, but it isn't always enough to restore damage done. Of course, you can take backups of important files, but taking backups of OS' files is more tricky. You can use an automated backup program but that doesn't work at all times (what if you lose your password?)

[alahuin]

Don't get me wrong Glitch, I respect your opinion as to how you operate your pc and I am sure that your advice will benefit many people....
As you say.."different strokes...for different folks"..

To answer your question:-

Let me ask you a question...

You prefer to disable Microsoft's security notices and rely on protection of your own choosing.  What happens when this protection you have chosen fails?  How would you know?  When you find out...it's too late.  You're so used to using it...you've forgotten all about Microsoft's built-in security.  Had you been the wiser...having Microsoft notify you...you wouldn't find yourself in that sort of "pickle".

Should I get into a severe "Pickle" as you call it, I would swap out the hdd for one of the three I keep in a cupboard, all of which have the same OS and programs installed. This allows me to carry on as normal after around 5 minutes or so.
I would then attach the "Pickled" hdd to a second pc as an external drive and either cure it or wipe it clean and copy the OS image, with programs, that I keep on a dvd just for this purpose.
It is what I enjoy doing, thereby giving me no qualms about not using the 'dinosaurial' (I know that's not a real word..lol..but use it because each update becomes extinct, is replaced by the next one which becomes extinct ad infinitum..) Microsoft security..and I really wouldn't want Microsoft to notify me about anything..unless it was to tell me I had run out of milk...no, not even that...
 

[alahuin]

Afterthought..
I Googled "windows update crashed my computer", it returned over a million results...
 

[Yoshi2889]

Afterthought..
I Googled "windows update crashed my computer", it returned over a million results...
 

So that's what I mean with "able to disable"...

[Glitch]

...and I would have to argue that those errors were caused by the operator and not Windows Update.  Yet, I digress.  Most computer users who use Windows Update are not fully aware of the difference between "High-priority", "Recommended", as well as "Optional" updates.  So...they see an update...have no clue what it's for...and install it anyway.  Thus the hits for "Windows Update crashed my computer".  I have never, ever, had an instance where Windows Update crashed my computer...EVER!  All a user has to do is set Windows to download and install those "High-priority" updates and they will be well served by the vendor...in this case, Microsoft.

This topic could go on forever...back and forth...back and forth...and I have work to do.

[Yoshi2889]

...and I would have to argue that those errors were caused by the operator and not Windows Update.  Yet, I digress.  Most computer users who use Windows Update are not fully aware of the difference between "High-priority", "Recommended", as well as "Optional" updates.  So...they see an update...have no clue what it's for...and install it anyway.  Thus the hits for "Windows Update crashed my computer".  I have never, ever, had an instance where Windows Update crashed my computer...EVER!  All a user has to do is set Windows to download and install those "High-priority" updates and they will be well served by the vendor...in this case, Microsoft.

This topic could go on forever...back and forth...back and forth...and I have work to do.

Not for you, but for others it WILL crash their computers.

As Windows has the urge to install everything for you, it may take the wrong software and thus crash the system, either by taking incompatible drivers or just conflicts or something.

[CASMAN]

I turned off auto updates by windows because I kept updating a program with the same update.
Java apparently dosent know when they have allready done the job.  Then my computer comes back and says the update was allready done. After I wasted my time. I prefer to do manual updates.
CM

[Glitch]

I turned off auto updates by windows because I kept updating a program with the same update.
Java apparently dosent know when they have allready done the job.  Then my computer comes back and says the update was allready done. After I wasted my time. I prefer to do manual updates.
CM

Which update?  Which version of Windows?